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  •   Sorabh babs commented on this post about 9 hours ago
    DISCUSSION PAGE - IMFA
    DISCUSSION PAGE - IMFA
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    10th June 2019:

    STATUS:

    1/ Market has priced everything in, including trade war & recession. However, until positives arrive, price will trickle down in low volume. Low volume trickling down does not matter from the perspective of actual worth. However it matters from "extended sleep...     10th June 2019:

    STATUS:

    1/ Market has priced everything in, including trade war & recession. However, until positives arrive, price will trickle down in low volume. Low volume trickling down does not matter from the perspective of actual worth. However it matters from "extended sleep requirement" i.e. patience perspective.

    2/ Consensus now is all negative. That's good. Even a small / basic positive news will provide a 30-40% jump. A trading opportunity.


    OPPORTUNITIES - SHORT TERM (6 months):

    1/ In H2 2017 and 2018 personal political aspirations and equations had had a heavy toll on IMFA itself. Stock ultimately crashed to almost 25% from the peak. No further political animosity is envisaged. The national and state elections are over with pretty solid result by NAMO and Navin Babu. That ensures no power to make trouble locally, no need to make trouble locally.

    2/ GoI's mandate is to resolve the NPA issue. Policy stability is seen. Now the Vice Chairman & the CEO may arrange to purchase of some good plants that had been facing bankruptcy. They may arrange the reimbursement of Rs. 350-400 crore stuck in various ministries for the past 4-4.5 years. Refer Q4 result doc. These two events if accomplished may catapult the stock to the highs of 2017.


    OPPORTUNITIES - LONG TERM (2 years):

    1/ The thermal Coal prices have crashed vis-a-vis 2018 and is likely to go down further. Ferrochrome prices have matched it until now. The two should show divergence, sometime, going ahead. That will lead to re-expansion of margins.
    2/ South African elections are over. Favorable policies will come out helping Ferrochrome business.
    3/ Indian elections are over. Favorable policies will come out helping Ferrochrome business.
    4/ Trade war issue will mellow down with November 2020 American Presidency elections.


    WHAT TO DO NOW?

    1/ Holders may sleep but may keep track on the news and info. For example: IMFA CFO just gave an interview in BTVi.
    2/ Spread such word, share such news items here. Just found and posted the above item.
    3/ Buy, if cash permits the long term timeline.     More
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      13th September 2019:

      STATUS:

      1/ Market had priced everything in, including trade war & recession - plus the extras. Positives have started arriving,13th September 2019:

      STATUS:

      1/ Market had priced everything in, including trade war & recession - plus the extras. Positives have started arriving, price upmove has started and will trickle up now in low volumes. Patience would still be necessary because this stock price will go up, and substantially so just even to cover the extra fall it had had, but at the same time, the broader market would be scary many a times. When one is down say 50% and broader market is scary, it's easier to hold. Hence, more patience is needed when stock goes up say 3-4 times in a short period, and broader market is still scary.

      2/ There is no consensus now, except for people in the know.


      OPPORTUNITIES - SHORT TERM (6 months):

      1/ Political disturbances of 2017-2019 is now gone. It had really affected the business results, apart from spoiling the sentiments with this stock. Going forward, as stated before, no animosity is envisaged. Instead, lots of blocked and entangled issues will get resolved.

      2/ GoI's mandate is to resolve the NPA issue. Policy stability is seen. Now the Vice Chairman & the CEO may arrange to purchase of some good plants that had been facing bankruptcy. They may arrange the reimbursement of Rs. 350-400 crore stuck in various ministries for the past 5 years. Refer Q4 result doc. These two events if accomplished may catapult the stock to the highs of 2017, subject to sector getting some tailwind back.


      OPPORTUNITIES - LONG TERM (2 years):

      1/ The thermal Coal prices have crashed vis-a-vis 2018 and is likely to go down further in 2020. Ferrochrome prices have matched it until now. The two should show divergence, sometime, going ahead. That will lead to re-expansion of margins
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      2/ Favorable policies may come out from South Africa helping the Ferrochrome business.

      3/ Favorable policies will keep coming out in India in general. One just came out (Royalty Reduction for Ore).

      4/ Trade war issue will mellow down with November 2020 American Presidency elections.


      WHAT TO DO NOW?

      1/ Buy, if cash permits for both short and long term timeline.
      2/ Tell your friends. Buyer's focus coming back. We should be very surprised; even within 6 months.        More ...
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      I have invested in IMFA at average of 750 and holding since then , have not averaged or sold, sitting at huge huge loss, with no sight of respite in nI have invested in IMFA at average of 750 and holding since then , have not averaged or sold, sitting at huge huge loss, with no sight of respite in near future, this company has sunk my huge capital  More ...
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      Buying at 750 is buying at the top. First mistake. No "sight of respite", because, your view is short / medium term. That's the second mistake. Not yoBuying at 750 is buying at the top. First mistake. No "sight of respite", because, your view is short / medium term. That's the second mistake. Not your fault. We all, even this page, do that - because, everywhere it is talked liked that - especially for cyclical stocks. But that's not 100% true for one's own investments. It is perhaps fine - from people managing public money.

      However, along with short/medium term view, also keep one thing at the back of your mind........."Cyclical stories do come back, and perhaps, with a bigger force in the next cycle". That's the beauty of cyclical stocks. Never talked about. [Caution: Promoter Holding, Pledge, Debt Levels, Cash flow from Operations].

      For example: The last top was in 2010 when Sales was 600-1050 cr, profit was 41-162 crore, stock price was 750-900. After seven years in 2017 Sales was 1650-1750 cr, profit 240-180 cr, stock price 750-800. The same thing will repeat again at the next cycle top. That's the safety net. Now, doubling of an Investment within 7 years works out to be 10%+. That does not sound very catchy, but the fact is SBI FD for 5-10 years is 6.25% as of now. May be, when one's allocation is major, one starts to appreciate that 4% point alpha over an FD. Let's not calculate trippling for now, but have a plan ready for doubling your investment at the next cycle top.

      My general thought process (as this page show), however, is for "short / medium term optimization" perspective with much higher (30-40%) return aspiration. Should work out, but not with 60-100% probability. What's of 100% probability, is "Cyclical stories do come back, and perhaps, with a bigger force in the next cycle". Play accordingly, if nothing else materializes.        More ...
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      Thanks for the response, in fact I am impressed with the depth of analysis and vision you have regarding the recommendations you make and then stick wThanks for the response, in fact I am impressed with the depth of analysis and vision you have regarding the recommendations you make and then stick with them, in fact that was one of the reason why I invested so heavily on one stock i.e. IMFA. After your reply, I again analysed the stock and realised what you mean by cylical, these stock have a cycle of 8 years and I bought my stocks when this was at the peak and preparing to slide to the bottom, with that in mind , so it has to reverse and it did reverse quite a bit by now and i assume it will again test its peak once the cycle revives. so now I understand when to buy this and sell also at the right time. but then the question is , if these stocks are not going to make any new highs despite the long cycle years , these are not investment stocks then , just take the advantage of cycle by investing and disposing at the right time of the cycle ,the dividend yield is however fantastic, more than FD rates. Thanks in advance, much appreciated.  More ...
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